home | what's new | other sitescontact | about

 

 

Word Gems 

exploring self-realization, sacred personhood, and full humanity


 

Elizabeth Fry

 


 

Return to Afterlife main-page

 

 

#79 Elizabeth Fry may be the wisest voice I've encountered among the afterlife testimonies.  

 

Elizabeth Fry (1780-1845)

 

There are no actual leaders here… no one glories in being a leader… we don’t recognize leaders, in the sense that you do…

The first thing a person must learn here, if they are to progress, is to lose this idea of self-importance…

Those who are really progressed on this side never, never, give that impression -- because it is not even in their nature to appear, or want to appear, important...

I would say to you, above all things, if you want to discover truth, avoid men of power and position.

 

 

On the WG site I’ve reviewed and presented some of the wisest minds of history. Among the very best, I would put forward Elizabeth Fry. She offered a direct-voice testimony via the mediumship of Leslie Flint. Her remarks were tape-recorded and now available for anyone to access.

She was a social reformer in England 200 years ago. See her bio on Wikipedia.

Often I’ve referenced her wisdom. See an abstracted transcript of her comments on both the Flint and Direct-Voice pages; also, reprinted here:

"There is, in a sense, organization here [on her side of life] -- there is a feeling that everything is in its place, but there is no conscious organization here… there is always the realization of greater possibilities… because nothing is static here, everything has the opportunity for change; and when a person begins to seek, begins to change in themselves, begins to desire things of a better order, so, automatically, gradually, they will find those things – it’s all a state of being, a state of mind. Every existence in which one might find himself is a state of mind, a state of awareness, a consciousness…
 
"There are no actual  leaders [here] as such – we have an organization which is so subtle and yet so natural – because, a person here, for instance, does not, in a sense, ‘give orders’; we have groups of souls who do special work – but we all realize, automatically, within ourselves, what our part is, what work we have to do; and we realize that we are all interwoven, one with another – I think it is [that] we are all very conscious of this oneness of spirit. Here, no one glories in being a leader – whereas in your world [in various organizations] you do get this sort of glorification of the individual [leader]; the first thing a person must learn here, if they are to progress, is to lose this idea of self-importance.
 
"Those who are really progressed on this side never, never, give that impression -- because it is not even in their nature to appear, or want to appear, important. Everything that we talk about, everything that we do, is done in a complete love, in a complete harmony, one with another. No one wants to override another person; all of our influences for good are [done] in love; and therefore we don’t have, on this side, organization, as such. We don’t recognize leaders, in the sense that you do
 
"Christ himself had no intention, no desire, to found any religious organization. This is completely, absolutely, a man-made thing - which over the centuries has misled mankind; and, indeed, I think it is pretty obvious, that if you analyze the whole of Christ’s teaching, you will find that he was the most humble of souls; that he had no desire to form any kind of an organization; he chose his disciples among the most ordinary of men; he did not try to dictate; he did not suggest, in the sense that some people assume that he dictated that they should do this or do that – he gave them, completely and absolutely, free will -- free will to choose the path that they should follow.
 
"I think that people will only recognize … what Christ really was, when they begin to discount a lot of untoward creeds and dogmas, tacked on over the centuries by men who desired power and positionI would say to you, above all things, if you want to discover truth, avoid men of power and position, because … [they desire] power and position because of their material perception of things you cannot, surely, build a truly spiritual realization of God on something which is of a material conception – God is not found, in a sense, in buildings or places … God is found within one’s soul, within one’s inner consciousness”
 
 

 

Editor's last word:

Elizabeth is the best. I intend to seek her advice when I get over there for projects I have planned.